tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC September 28, 2012 12:00am-1:00am EDT
good ening, rachel. good evening, ed. thanks to you at home for staying with us the next hour. 's n 40 ys o f tiay even though it feels every year like the election season gets longer and longer and longer, this last homestretch between the start ofhe debate until election day, this is always about the same amount of time. at least in recent elections. and so off on this date in 2004, whh was the last time we had anum pdeun for re-election, at this time on this date in that campaign, the campaign you might remember was all about iraq. >> at odds with the hopeful picture described by the president. mr. bush was challenged during an interview with fox ne about last sprins mission acli arae on the "uss abraham lincoln." >> would you do it again? >> you mean have the sign up there? >> no, no, go in there if the flight jacket? >> absolutely. >> youould?
>> i'm saying to the troops on this carrier and elsewhere, thanks for serving america. absolutely. >> reporter: senator kerry today noticed since that speech, more than 900 soldiers have diein iraq. >> so that was this date in the campaign in 2004. this date in the campaign in tidof mowugh we we rit the financial sector, still at the center of the campaign in 2008, at the first debate between john mccain and barack oba, which was this date four years ago, the focus was the war. in fact, both wars. >> do you, senator mccain, much has been said about the lessons vieam what do you see as the lessons of iraq? >> i think the lessons of iraq are very clear that you cannot have a failed strategy. thanks to this great general david pa tray yous, they are succeeding and winning in iraq. >> whether we should have gone in the war in the first place. six years o ood a opposed this war. we hadn't finished the job in afghanistan. we hadn't caught bin laden. we hadn't put al qaeda to rest.
and as a consequence, i thought that it was going to be a distractio no senator mccain and president bush had a very different judgment. >> so that was this date, 40 days out from the election in '08 and 40 days out from the election in '04. in '04 the campaign was consumed with the debate over aleast one of our wars. 40 days out from the election in '08, in e mit ofhe fiialt tamn was consumed with both of the wars. now it's 2012 and we're 40 days out from the election this year and we are n quite as consumed with that issue, but we are still in one of those wars. and not being consumed with that issue turns out is not a mutua cision by e twcaat i mean, the democratic side, president obama, talks about the war in iraq that he ended and the war in afghanistan he is still waging a the time. he brings it up all the time. it is his republican opponent, mr. romney, who has generally ne his best to avoid the hao ct whe .
credit's due. today while he still did not go there directly, at least, at last, finally, today mitt romney got close to the subject. >> we have huge numbers of our men and women that are returning from conflict that are seeking counseling, psychological counseling, and can't find tt se wn sy. and, of course, record numbers of suicides. this is a crisis. >> that was mitt romney speaking today in springfield, virginia, to the american legion. and, no, he is still not apparently able to say anything about the war directly, but at least today where u sahi th hd ioats war has produced an outcome of war. which is american war veterans. neither the war nor its veterans were mentioned, of course, in mr. romney's speech to the nation upon becoming his party's nominee for president. he's trying to fix the veterans part othat oversight. emcae al aas cdidate still the war he would be taking over as commander in chief. there were these dueling appearances in virginia before military heavy audiences in that military heavy state.
president obama talking about ending the war in iraq, talking about his strategy in afanistan. prenamle a minute tv ad today. sort of his closing argument for his campaign. in the two-minute ad he talks about what the country should do withhe savings that we will obtain when we eventually end the war in afghanistan. t while mr. romney did mention tera is viinia speech to hd saat would do to improve the problem that he identified for veterans. in fact, the way he talked about it indicated he might not know even which part of the government is supposed to fia d tillanriim that. alk out what he would do as commander in chief. he still can't bring himself to talk about the war that we are still in that is now producing new veterans every day and is due to keep ing that for another couple of years. in any other election year, with anher nde ware capable of holding his own on this issue, we would be having a
debate on this issue. we would be having a big national debate on this subject right now. because it very obviously needs debating. "wired" magazine today published e mar ternal assessme from afghanistan. and it shows sort of inadvertently what the effect has been of the big obama troop surge in the war. in 2009, after he was inaugurated, and there was a suertime surge of violence and attacks in afghanistan, president obama tookeveral tee ewamican to do an strategy in the war. you'll remember that he announced that the end of that review, at the end of 2009 in december, that he was going to send tens of thousands more american troops into afghanistan. une bamoumey said, was to so here's the data he was looking at in tes of what the taliban's momentum was when he made his decision to send the surge. what you're looking at there on the left is the calendar year. it's what the military in
afanistan calls emy initiated attacks. ale ars allightin afghanistan all have that general sort of pattern where it peaks in the summer and drops in the winter. that's what they call the fighting season in afghanistan. looking at that, see what the overl level was. that was the first calendar year president ama s iden ter okinat tse numbers he decided to do the surge. that's the level of violence he was looking at when he sent more troops at the end of that year. now, three years later after the surge has ended, this is the level of attacks in th o20nd0 ngr in 2012. rge,ight, we endured this level of enemy-initiated -- that's during the surge. we endured that level of enemy-initiated attacks. now after the surge, after all of that blood and treasure and sacrifice, we have a new level arich is higher than when so that's for enemy-initiated attacks. here's the same number for
executed ied attacks. bombs in afghanistan, right? here was the rather outrageously high numbers of bos in afghanistan in 2009 when prenams ng decision about the surge. these are ieds. here's the level now. here's what we went through during the surge years. the interim years. that's 2010 and 2011. so, you know, 's possible to spin this as, oh, look, 2012 is slightly better than last ar, s igh, t? that wasn't the point. the idea was that it was supposed to get better than when we started the surge. this deadline that the president set for leaving at the end of 2014 was prefaced on the idea that the surge would have created some better environment from which it woulmake sense we could leave because things tpre rondetter. ingsfterhe sge are worse than before the surge, if things are not going to get better by the time we are set to leave, then why are we sticking with that as still being the time to leave? when the pentagon announced the end of the surge last week, when they announced the surge was over, they talked less about blunting taliban momentum and more about how the surge helped train lots of afghan security
forc. inorot ted afghan security forces is a way afghanistan could get more safe. but right now it's also a way americans get killed. by the afghans we are training and arming. afghan troops are turng around and killing american troops they're supposed to be working with at such a rate now that the training and joint operations between the two forces were halted this month. and have oy now stard scbap. that's the circumstances in which 68,000 americans are putting their lives on the line right now while you watch this tv show. 68,000. there is a debate to have here about what we are doing in afghanistan. thingsre worse aer the surge than they were before the surge. at w theurgeor why es t deaine r leaving stay the same if the surge was supposed to make things better and it didn't? if the republicans had picked a candidate who was capable of engaging in this debate, we would be having this debate as a country. we did it inhe last two ectis wh we re awa westat b we apparently can't do it in this election because mitt romney has nothing to say on this. it's not a debate. it's one guy talking and nobody
answering. other republans below the presidential candida level are willing to have this debate. this is from "the tampa bay me r and over, every time the subject of pulling troops out of afghanistan, republican congressman bill young has voted to stay the course. he opposed resolutions to withdraw and even a resolution to set a timetable for withdrawal. but not anymore." "i think we should remove ourself fr afgsts quy e " ys congressman young. "i just think we're killing kids that don't need to die." this is the longest serving republican member of cgress. he chairs the subcommittee that funds the pentagon in the house. he describes himlf as a stay the course politician, since the daf vim but he now says he is done. he is over it. and you know what? he's not alone. most americans are done. we are over it. more than two-thirds of the cotry says the u.s. should not ymanatnoa hanistan
partisan figure. when you're looking at 69%, that's too high to be a partisan figure if nothing else. there's a political debate to have here between two responsible, compeng ideas for what to do in the longest war in american history that's already in year 11 andhais not nlato nyethis year d that and that is not slated to end until the end of the year of that. that, right now, is the mocratic party's position as embodied by the democratic president. does the republican party ha a competing idea? isiekfohiws. election and we still don't really know what governor romney wants to do as president. that should make you worry. >> senator jim webb, former navy secretary, a vietnam war veteran, spoke with president obama today in virginia beach. and he went right atr. romney on feiolane . and he is -- he's right there when he says that we don't know what mr. romney would do if he became president. mr. romney has said recently and vaguely that he supports what president obama is doing in
afghanistan in terms of there being a timene f leaving but tine lngthsaid he was agnst past. so really who knows? he's not even trying. the closest we've gotten to any competing cogentepublican position on the war is probably what we got from senor john mccain at the republican convenon when he said that the afanisn wajustho't he also thinks that the iraq war shouldn't have ended. so i'm not sure that it's a politically viable position. even if it is an internally cogent one from the senator. for this year's nominee, it's apparently jusnogoing to happen. t less he star it w. 40 days out, mitt romney did get as close as he gets to talking about the issue today. in that he spoke before a group of veterans and talked about a concern about veterans. even if he didn't say what he wanted to do about that concern. mr. romney, in fact, implied th the sequester that might resu ifecuhas running mate paul ryan voted for, he implied that would hurt
suicide prevention programs for veterans even though the v.a. would be exempt from that, so i'm not sure he even understood what it was he w talking about. but at least he tried. at least veterans got mention enitn'keense in policy terms. you do know that defense and veterans are two different -- at some point it shou be possible with 40 days left to say veterans have to be more than just an applause line. right? you n't just get to use em fophope decommissioned battleship you used as a backdrop when you introduced paul ryan inexplicably in front of a battleship, other time when you didn't mention the war. even iyore not willing to at wld btaking over, re veterans are not a hypothetical construct. the way they're treated is not an esoteric consequence of how we feel about them as a naon or how much military spending we have which is how mitt romney
described it today. 40s oufrhect with the israeli prime minister drawing an actual redline on a wiley coyote acme style bomb at the united nations today when talking about iran. 40 days t with the surge in afghanistan looking like it did the opposite of what it was supposed t, 40 days out with "the new york times" reporting ti sitlegaidea is to have president romney rescind the ban on torture on his first day in office. that's their big idea. that will help. 40 days out from the election, there has to be a way to build on this one small thing this republican campaign for the presidency seems capable of ndling wheites t naalurmas. ifot for the country, if not for the candidate, then for the country we should try to be optimistic about this, right? mitt romney showed today he is capable, at least, of mentioning veterans and how veterans get treated even if he doesn't totally understand the issue. let's start there. the fact he can handle that much, we can at least take as a starting point. i mean, in previous campaigns,
yeah, we've been able to have debates about the wars. this year the republican not capable of handling that. maybe he can handle this. here's a simple idea. an american soldier getsille in w that soldier's family gets a payment. dependency and indemnity compensation for surviving spouses and children. we're sorry your husband, your father, your wife was killed. from the u.s. government. you think this would be one of the less partisan inflected things we do as a country, right? pat ak svi spous and children. from time to time, that payment gets adjusted to reflect increases in the cost of living. right? that makes sense. one of the least controversial things you couldossibly aginthe itta rn ain. well, a bill to adjust that payment for the cost of living was brought to the senate floor last thursday. it was expected to go ahead. no muss, no fuss, who's going to argue with that? it was blocked by someone in governor romney's party. an unnamed republican senator surviving spouses and children's
payment for soldiers killed in the war. the same hold is also affecting e disability payments to soldiers who are wounded in the war. someepubcanais blocking this. we don't know who. governor romney, here's a place to start. you are now the leader of the republican party. i realize you're having a hard time getting the training wheels off when it comes to natnal curity, but here's an ea e. should that senator from your own party lift that hold on the cost of living adjustment to the payments to those people who we sort of owe it to? should a republican senator who's holding this up keep that hold in place or drop it? you're the leader of that party. do youave anything to y on th here's another one. veterans jobs corps bill we talked about last week on this bill, a bipartisan bill, iraq and afghanistan veterans have an unemployment rate 35% higher
than the rest of the country now. this bill comes to the senate floor and is blocked by republican senators. governor romney, you are now the leader of the republican party relio a vensn yan bring urself to talk about the war and even when you plainly don't understand the issue you're discussing. still, this is kind of an easy one. you could take a position on the veterans jobbill. do you think the senators from your own party should stop blocking the veterans job corps bi? one of the million times tha you relaunched yourself nc u tesio y after the conventions, you said the way you were going to relaunch is start getting specific. let's get specific. you won't get specific on the war. you're obviously willing to mention veterans to get applause. why don't we sta t? whr otheyot would be great for the cntry. we are 40 days out. hope springs eternal. maybe this campaign can yet live up to what our politics are supposed to be. and what on the issue of the wars they have always previously been before you became one of the nominees and couldn't handle it. our polics are supposeto be way sol proems. wegoob. do you have anything to say about how to fix them?
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bin laden is dead. >> i happen to subscribeo merostthn's m p i want to have a military that's so strong no one wants to test it. you see, you want to -- >> president obama and mitt romney both making the case to veterans in virginia today. the present talking about ending our trillioll war eaventually, and his opponent talking about ronald reagan. joining us now, john stanton, washington bureau chief at "buzz ed" and it's been way too long since we've had you on show. congratulations on your move,vy way, how is "buzz feed"? >> it's awe? >> one of the things y did nd cntis greyhound bused down there, and sort of went out of your way to talk to regular on the street folks who were not necessarily getting, having their opinions plundered by pundits. when you're doing sort of "man on the street" talking to people about polics, do people ever talk about the wars? >> thedo. tag,tirl was in
savannah and talking to church people that were feeding the working poor and homeless people. there were a lot of veterans there. some of the people i talked to on the bus were veterans. they feel like their plight as the working poor in this inoue areonis really president obama talks about it, sort of generally, his accomplishments, but he doesn't talk about so much going forward and what's going to happen. i think lot of people have become fatigued with it. even these people, some of them have gone through it, or their families have gone through i ev there sofed deal with it almost. they want it to go away. >> the going forward part of it is the part i'm really hung up on. looking at those surge numbers today, i'm not sure if our graphs totally showed it the way we laid those out. the violence the president was looking at in 9 when he surged tr, w n we spent a lot of blood and time and lives to get to a situation that's worse. the idea was it would get better and that's how we would tail out and live. it's hard to imagine that that
policy isn't a matter of debate. do you feel like not only talking to voters, looking at ysesgeergn, in the next 40 >> neither campaign wants to talk about it. mitt romney is doing barack obama a bit of a favor by not engaging him on this thing. romney has difficulties but doesn't have any real experience, himself. paul ryan is a domestic gu he doesn't do a lot of foreign policytuff. by not talking about it, it lets obama off the hook a little bit because there is this problem of what happens next after the surge over? you know, what happens with pulling outhe oo do we pull them out earlier like bill young is talking about? do we keep them in longer in that debate is not happening. you know, i don't think either candidate, frankly, probably had a particularly good answer for th. i k 'st of why we're seeing neither one of them
really engaging hard on what's going to happen next in the war. >> the president is talking about the new tower on the new york skyline. that tower is not done. talking about savings from ending t war in afghanistan. that waroesn't end until the end of 201 anybody running against somebody who's taking those positions provided they had the slightest bit of confidence in our own position, it seems like a place to go. but i wonder if you see the romney campaign potentially bringing somebody else on who can handle it? any sort oheaveight >> ty cod have brought in condi rice, brought in former generals, people from the bush administration who were not neocons. >> second-term folks. >> they haven't done that yet which is surprising. when they went to the domestic focus on theice id nd or bri somebody in. that is what joe biden did for obama in '08. that was the counter to john mccain. and they haven't done that. and i -- it's going to be difficult for them tdo that in
the next couple weeks. and gog into that la debate e ey'rgoing to b talking about this stuff, this is going be an issue, they're going to need to frame that up before they get there or it's going to be difficult for them to have much of a debate among, no, i'm better, i'm worse. >> i feel like we're in an unsustainable spot. these issues areeing forced to dssevf can't be forced into the politics. i feel like reckoning is coming on this in political terms. john stanton, "buzz feed's" d.c. bureau chief. you do great work. >> pleasure to be here. all right. are you a college student? do you know any college students? do you have any sense of how college students will vote this ar itheyote? a buncof political vigilantes who know how college students are likely to vote this year have figured out how to stop students from doing it. it is a very simple strategy and it is very stupid, and that's next. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550let'st low-cost investing. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550at schwab, d w-cost investment options-- tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 like our exchange traded funds, or etfs
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ranking of five different u.s. senate races. since the end of the democratic convention. prior to the convention, they listed tse three states as leaning republican in senate races. they listed arizona and nevada and wisconsin as all leaning republic ll, tharl d into the tossup category. they no longer lean republican. now who knows. before the democratic convention, the two states that -- the two states they had considered tossups, too close to call, were ohio and michigan. well, now they have been shifted into the leans democratic category. so they' shifted five senate sce toniond al thifts have been toward the democrats. a political scientist named larry sabato at the university of virginia also promised probably the most famous individual person in the country who has long done this kind of raing d chteng races. today in addition to moving five swing states in the direction of president obama, mr. sabato moves others. three states moved in the republican direction.
connecticut moved to tosp. montana moved to leans republican. e d ly ea democrat/independent. so three of the 11 senate races he moved moved in the republicans' direction. larry sabato moved eight senate races the other way toward the democrats. 8 of the 11 moved toward the democratic candidate. 40 ys y t, th a trend. and voting is already under way in most parts of the country. for people who are favored to win their race, must feel great right now, right? because it's sort of almost t pe wreored to lose right now, they are potentially facing being cut loose their donors. and that is happening to some people who you might not expect to be getting cut loose. that's next. ♪
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of the race in the swing states. here's the new polling data we got today. new suffolk university poll showing president obama in rginia up by two points. also brand new nbc/"wall street journal" marist polling on three other swing states showing president obama in nevada up by owprenam n hampshire up by seven. and showing president obama in north carolina also up by two. because early voting has already started in a majority of swing states, and in a majity of
states, period, it's not just a get excited cliche now to say election day is upon us. really, seously. geci it's upon us. it's already started. you can tell it's already started is in part because we're in the triage period of the call pain. the time of the election year when people who are spending nein hopes of effecting the eltion outme srt cng r esgi their bets and use their money instead in places they think it will make a difference. "the hill" newspaper reporting this week the republican party's house campaign committee had not yet served any ad time for a hal ncntubn congressmen. a sign that, quote, congressmen in question -- canceled two weeks of its scheduled ad buy for a north carolina democratic incumbent seen as vulnerable. quote, a sign he thinks he's a lost cause in the newly drawn heavily republican dtric ashis ocesaro forward, the emotion starts to
ride high for the candidates getting cut off. this ithe end of the campaign. if your funding is getting cut off, it could be the end of the line for your candidacy. pele get touchy at political triage time. they freak out. sometimes the way the freak-out manifests is the reporting gets reversed. yesterday in "the hill's" reporting in start of the triage season, congressman joe walsh of illinois, among e incumbents being triaged out of funding by reic h cig committee given the latest polling shows him losing to tammy duckworth by 14 points didn't seem a surprising notion that the house campaign committee for the republicans might cut old joe walsh loose. i don't know what happened overnight, but this morning, new news on that. the cug loat all. after yesterday's reporting that he was getting cut loose, today the republican house campaign committee says they are reserving that time for joe walsh. political triage is interesting
to watch. right? akrethoin ou just hohighhe campaign. but, of course, this year the money is not just coming from the candidates and the parties' campaign committees. this year a huge amount of the money being cycled into the campaign comes from superpacs and other outside groups, groups at presumably will be going someriagg ofheir before long. right now the news from the dark money world is mostly just about how much of it there is. and there is a lot of it. on the democratic leaning side, the billionaire george soros announced today he's giving 1 million bucks to a superpac that supports presidentbama and a half million bucks to superpacs suorting democtic congressional candates. heubn inde ad buys, in the final stretch of the campaign. see them on the screen. multimillion dollar ad buys in some states. some states, they're buying ads in states that neighbor swing states. this ad madey the american future fund. see, they're buying me in minnota, not nessaly atut med markets they're buying time in in minnesota they think overlap
into wisconsin and parts of iowa. so it's a wato buy wisconsin and iowa on the cheap. they'll be buying time in minnesota, but they'll be seen in these swing state -- by the ing atvote in wa a wisconsin, trying to get more bang for their advertising buck. bargain hunting makes sense if you're looking to get in on the 2012 campaign ad wars with this much time left. it also makes sense in terms of understanding how effective the dark meyroups are going to beompad to al campaigns. the "washington post" is up with a piece this week on an underreported advantage that the obama side has over the romney side. romney's financial advantage is beuse thesimo of cash being spent on his behalf by the republican party and by outside interest groups. he has more superpac money working for him. but president obama has more of his own campaign money than the romney campaign has to spend. and it tur out not all money
is created equal. seorr campaign, is easily, more easily spent and sometimes more effectively spent than the superpac money. local tv stations, see, are required to give the campaigns, the real campaigns their best deals on advertisi time. there's no such requirement in terms of the way they treathe e hin " reporting that in one ohio ad buy, set to run right before the election, the obama campaign is paying $125 for a tv spot. that spot is costing a conservative superpac $900. $125ersus $900 for the same at hma fei superpac. what that means effectively is mr. romney and his supporters may have fewer resources than it appears they have because things will cost more for them than they do for the obama campaign. when your campaign is so fueled by supercs a outde mey, you get less bang for your buck than if you had more of your own money. being fueled by outside money
carries a more ominous risk than the fact you're not going to have any bargains. you also have do cedcontrol to the supeacs when it come triage. among other things. in terms of cutting their losses and hedging their bets and pulling their money out of unwinnable races, the superpacs have their own agendas, right? mitt romney campaign ineve going to cut and run from mitt romney. but uldn theupercs a mentthllstayhe way they are just decide mitt romney is running an unwinnable campaign, their money might be better spent in down-ballot campaigns? when the superpacs do their political triage there's an tion to cut mitt romney loose. joining us now for "the inteiew," an evil da money ovrdedl on senior strategist for the pro-obama superpac, priorities usa action. bill, it's good to have you here. >> overlord is such a dirty word. >> it sounds better thant looks. it loo nice. >> ion'tnklos nit loud.
either. >> did i get the basic point right there about, about the money -- money outside the campaigns, money you've been raising and spending. it's at a disadvantage. you have to pay more for your time? >> the campaigns pay a much peten suac are able to pay. on the republican side, karl rove and the koch brothers have hundreds of millions of dollars so can put throwaway behind ads they're doing and can be up and have an impact. the truth is t campaigns are allowed to spend at a much cheaper value. >> knoat l distinction is that there's not supposed to be any coordination between pacs supporting a candidate. superpacs supporting a candidate and the candidates' campaign. here's the thing i don't undersnd i understand that means you casiwnh d axelrod and say, okay, we're all going to focus on bain. can't you just go second? can't you wait to see what the obama campaign is doing and copy them and backstop them.
>> this has been a big disadvantage for the rublican side. i feel bad for our counterparts yathene campaign, what do you think mitt romney's message and strategy is? there's a week in august where crossroads had an ad up about the debt. an ad up about jobs. americans for prosperity was advertising on solyndra. mitt romney was advertising on welfare rerm. if y're theersi tr tguutt they're trying to get across, you have no idea. welfare reform, $10 million behind that? seriously? >> the romnecampaign has had trouble stays on message, picking a message and sticking with it, which has been fun. if they could stick with it, couldn theand uldn you ce acp ev the campaign is doing, therefore colluding only in public by the virtue of the fact you were watching tv? >> right, you absolutely could. you ow, the truth is, you know, there's an ark of a story that you try to tell. so on our side, you watch what the obama campaign is doing. you watch what we're doing. e' ao ry' story.
he started in his business career as a guy who, you know, bought companies, fired workers, made millions of dollars. went to become the governor of massachusetts. didn do a great job. and here's what we wants to do for the country. mns e no story mside, the about mitt romney. there's one ad about the olympics over the course of the summer. the story they tell about barack obama is, well, he's all these bad things. and so if you're trying to figure out, well, what is it that, what's the strategy here? that you were watching tv? >> rhtyou soluly cld. knthut there is an arc of a story that you try to tell. there is an art to the story. he's a guy who has bought companies, fired workers, didn't do a great job and here is what he wants to do to for the country. on t republican side, there is no story about mitt romney. d the story they tell about ba o ill is all these bad things. if you are trying to figure out what is the strategy here? it is a lot more difficult on their side. the spending has been erratic and they are probably t having as big of an impact.
>> did you know that was the arc no matter what he did. did you have that mapped out? >> we started that in cember of last year. if he was going to make his businessism experience the center argument. we also knew that the ryan budget was the most toxic thing th he was associated with. >> you thought you wld b etor pked paul ryan. >> i'm giving myself fridays off. >> not quite fridays off but it did make the job more straight forward. and george thorus pledged more money to you today. why did he do that today and why didn't he do that before and what is the coequence of that? ditngerh enceth- democrats who gave to him, does it bring them out of the woodwork? >> is this the moment where we need to get involve snd. >> we are getting into this peri where you are at the last moment where big investments are voting in the ra. iowa is voting today. you ma invenn levion add ver advertisements. i think a lot of democrats are feeling the election is here and
even though mitt romney has not performed very well over the last two weeks, the president is barely knocking on 50% in the la two weeks. demoats are feeling the pressu and are ccern. heoprekibout giving maybe a seven figure donation, you were on the campaign side of it with normal donors years ago. are really rich people concerned about different things? you if were giving to the campaign or to the superpac. you were giving to the things that democrats feel stngly about. >> i hear you. q tasofn. your evil lordship. bill burton. good to see you man. still ahead tonight the best new thing in the world. now with 92% more world global indignation. best new thing in the new york. the day the president of iran addressed e un. this year was more exciting an us by this time next year, he will not be iran's president anymore. this was kind of it. the reason everyone gets excited this time of year is mr. ahmadined's speeches themselves, the reason we circle this week in red pen on the calendar every year, is not
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